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PostSubject: Magic Debate   Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:51 pm

Hi all,

Thought I will be the first one to begin a debate!
Okay, this is about Magic whether it exists or not.
Personally, I think it does exist, there are things around us that can't be explained, I think it's magic, Magic is found everywhere, Love is magic for example. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:17 am

Yes my girl, Love is magic, and friendship, a glass of Strawberry juice, there is magic all around us, we just have to open our eyes, Look there is a boy, he find a stick, you see the stick like a stick, he sees the stick like an aeroplane, or a bow and he is in his own magic world,! Look there it’s a girl in the rain she jumps on the street and plays that she walks on the water… you walk by here and meet a human you never seen before, your eyes meet and you feel the warm look from a stranger that’s also magic…

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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:03 am

I am totally with, Rocco.Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:25 pm

Yay me too. I totally agree with you my friend.
I believe in magic, it`s all around us everywhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:25 am

I'm agree with all of you, I think magic is every where, and also it's always around us, but sometimes we don't notice it.
Don't you think friendship is the best magic, or maybe love is the best?
I think Love is the best coz without love there's no friendship
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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:44 am

Fuu: (Quote:) Love is the best coz without love there's no friendship (End Quote), Well said! freindship is alsow love, and all those thing is Magic sunny
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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:28 am

Hmmm. So far everyone here has agreed that there is magic around.
I disagree with magic existing due to my religious beliefs.
God is the one that creates all the miracles around.
People assume it's magic because it's like a miracle. It's like something good that can just come out of nothing. That comes from God.
Love (not the Admin XD) comes from God. It started from Adam and Eve, the first humans on Earth, they were created by God, and love started.
From Soloaris's example of the 'stick thing', he may just assume that it is something else as he is young. He will eventually know what he's doing, and differenciating the things around him.
And your 2nd example, she jumps on a street and plays that she walks on water, that's fun and happiness. Happiness comes from God himself.
Friendship does come from love.
But I don't think magic exists, although some may assume so.
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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:54 am

OMG, WAIT! You are a muslim?

I am a muslim, but I still think magic exists, it's in Quran.(If you know it)

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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:00 pm

Well, no, I'm a Christian.
We've been told not to believe in fantasy stuff.
Well, there's no problem using them or whatsoever, just that we can't treat it as if it's one of the most important things in our lives.
Magic is for instance.
To me, Miracles are not magic, but they come from God and his works.
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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:01 pm

Sorry, when you said Adam and Eve I thought you are a muslim.

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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:26 pm

Christians also belive in the first humans that god created Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:28 pm

oops, sorry then. Neutral

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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:48 pm

Smile Dont be sorry Love, there is so many religions,
and they nerley is the same, maybe because there is only one god flower
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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:55 am

Don't worry Love! eventhough we have a different religion, but we are all cousin!
we believe that all the man in the world come from Adam and Eve!
I'm a christian! And also a good christian! and I live around a very good muslim!
My best friend even a muslim, but we all friend! coz believe it or not, chrisitan and muslim had a lot of similarity, And yes there is only one God!
you call your God by Allah, and you know what, in Indonesia the bible also translate Lord with Allah!
mdbgtft should know it too, coz our bible seems have the same language!

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Well, I don't know what to say! but I might be now agree with you! pale affraid
I like to think about the similarity from miracle and magic, but from your word I think I should learn more bout all of them! Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:20 am

One thing
is true and that is that god want us all to
live in peace and respect each other, well he created all things, so I'm sure
that he don’t like when we are mean to his creations.
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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:35 am

I'm a catholic but i think that magic exist. Like my mother: i have a cousin and his wife got pregnant, my mother told that it will be a boy and ta da it was a boy. Second time it was the same. So i think that magic do exist Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:57 am

I guess when good things happen its miracle god saves us Smile I do however beleive in black magic ...
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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:15 pm

This is a bit old, but it was an interesting discussion, and I wanted to take part in it.

From what I can tell, the discussion has moved into the area where "magic" has become an abstraction. And this I can agree with, but I'd like to take the discussion in another direction, which is more literal. But first I'll tackle the abstraction.

We can agree that using an abstraction, and saying love and friendship, art, expression, nature etc. is magic/miracle, and its a matter of interpretation and rhetoric. Personally while I can agree with that abstraction, I think it takes away from the beauty of human interaction, and nature in general. It might be a good descriptive term, calling nature a miracle, or friendship magic, but is it taking the credit away from nature itself by calling it a miracle, and people themselves by calling the friendship an act of magic?

On to a more literal interpretation.
Personally, I'm an Atheist-Agnostic. I'm open minded, but when I get evidence, I'll make decisions concerning certain things. So when it comes to miracles, I can't agree with the verbiage, because through study, I have found enough evidence to disprove to me, the existence of an omnipotent God. I can't say a NON-omnipotent God cannot exist though, but that's beside the point.If anyone would like to defend this point, or would like to see my evidence, just ask. Though you've probably already heard variations, and just never took it seriously.

As for magic. I don't really have PROOF it doesn't exist, and depending on the interpretation, the evidence for it can go either way. Some people believe in wicca, or pagan traditions, some fake satanists also believe in a literal interpretation of magical energies. Using candles, and plants to create spells.

However others believe magic is a tool of the mind, through the mistaken quote of only using 10% of the brain (which isn't true) they believe the mind has powers the body doesn't and that can be called magic. Others believe regardless of brain percentage the mind has these powers.

Even others believe that "magic" is a passive tool, a placebo effect of belief which allows things to come together through sheer will. This is more sensible and agreeable take on magic. Although it doesn't DISprove the others.

So in conclusion, magic/miracle as an abstraction is about definitions. If you define magic/miracle as a supernatural power, you can't really say friendship, love, or nature etc are magical/miraculous. They are great things, but while those words are good descriptors, I believe it takes away credit from nature and the people who love and build friendships themselves. Magic/miracle as a literal force, miracle I completely disbelieve, magic is possible, if unlikely, unless taken as a passive energy creating mis/fortune through belief.
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PostSubject: Re: Magic Debate   Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:54 pm

I believe all Means of Magic are the Devils pit of hells lies so we are distracted from the Light that is God who provides em.

Whether its smoke and mirrors or Witches craft and devils deeds. Its all the same.

Love, From God above, Is what makes things happen. Without Love we would hate and be animalistic.

Whether your religion, Come to God to know more then what your taught.

Whether you dont believe in God, It never hurt to ask him instead of yourself.

Love has been placed here, Love is always providing, Love is always coming from God and never has he forsaken us.

The devil can not display or provide that which he cant.

As i Love you all, IT will be deep and undenying. and i will always have a open door to you.
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