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PostSubject: Re: Shuffle! Game (15+ Discussion)   Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:06 pm

hi again, yeah i feel for you moon. hating them doesn't make them bad. it bad for kid's yes but shouldn't the kid's be aware of it. all hentai games and anime has a 18+ sign which mean they are warning kid's, and its up to those kid's if they will watch it or not. so the hentai anime's or games shouldn't take the blame here. we all have our likes and dislikes but it shouldn't be the reson to like totally hate it. i like all you guys don't like porn, hentai etc. as a stated on my posts im just after the stories since visual novel games are the game your finding when your talking about stories and cute pictures. (not hentai)

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PostSubject: Re: Shuffle! Game (15+ Discussion)   Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:56 pm

Me I personally don't care one way or the other about H in a game or an anime.

Saying there shouldn't be sex scenes in a children's show goes without saying, but saying anime or manga is a medium for children is insulting to the genre. Even anime or manga without sex can be made for adults, or older teenagers.

Sex doesn't add to something, except in some cases (I read a good manga recently which ended in the main couple getting pregnant, and the decisions and sacrifices they had to make for their child) but it doesn't take away from it either. Obviously graphic sex isn't necessary unless it is being marketted towards people who are looking for graphic sex. But then stories like the Type Moon games are apparently very good (My friend is in love with the Type Moon universes, though I've only played a non-H fighting game, and watched a non-H anime adaption.) but they do have some sex.

For a more mature audience, sex can add realism. Because sex happens. It's a fact of life. If you have a well written story, the sex can add or detract to the story, its about how it is done.

If sex is thrown into a story just for the sex to get the pervet market, then it'll likely be no good. If the sex is important to the story, then it can add to it.

It's just silly to say sex can never add anything to a story, and it's sily to say sex always adds to a story.

It can only be looked at on a case by case basis.
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PostSubject: Re: Shuffle! Game (15+ Discussion)   Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:08 pm

I agree with you there, Anarch. Any married couple does s** (For some reason, I don't like writing the word) and it's something that is important for the continuity of life.

I may have never mentioned this before, but I am right now in second Junior year. One of the lessons we had in science was s**. Of course, they didn't explain how it was done (For God's sake, it is a school!) but they did say that s** was important for the life.

Now for Hentai games, if s** was really important for the story (or a certain event in the game/story) then I think it is okay as long as the warning is given and kids are warned that the game has hentai scenes. Hentai scenes are for adults, after all. Now, I am not a kid (I don't consider myself as a one, anyway) but I am not an adult either. I am actually a teen. There are some teenages that do like these scenes and go after them.

In this game's case, the s** part wasn't important at all, which is one of the reasons I didn't completely like the game. The story of the game is really well done and I like the other non-Hentai scenes because they are really cute and adorable. But to put such scenes in the game was completely unimportant. But in this case...I guess it can be called fan service.

Now now, I think I am moving this to Serious Discussion.

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PostSubject: Re: Shuffle! Game (15+ Discussion)   Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:52 pm

I think that we are having great discussion here Wink

Oh, yeah sex is a natural thing so lets put it in Snow White, Tom&Jerry..everywhere! Maybe we can put sex in Pink Punter as well.

Every story can be done without sex. I mean there is no need for that kind of scenes to be in animes. yeah I agree anime is not for children but children still watch it. That thing 18+ means nothing, and you know it.

Persons that write and make hentai things are sick people that don't have good love and sexual life.
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PostSubject: Re: Shuffle! Game (15+ Discussion)   Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:47 pm

Sorry Moony, but that's not true. Anime that has 18+ sign on it means that kids shouldn't watch it. If they do, then it's their own decision. But the authors have no wrong. Sure, putting sex without a meaning or a relation to the story is bad and really important, but sometimes sex can be important for the story.

And like I said before, there is something called fan service, where some people ask for it.

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PostSubject: Re: Shuffle! Game (15+ Discussion)   Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:37 pm

Tell me one example when sex is very important to the story, when there can not be a scene without sex?

And what is that thing about fan service? I mean you must be sick if you think that it is fun to watch anime and cartoons heroes having sex, it is disgusting!
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PostSubject: Re: Shuffle! Game (15+ Discussion)   Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:58 am

Well, I wasn't going to post anything here because I don't usually like to judge one way or the other. Hopefully, I'm just misinterpreting and that things aren't getting too heated here. If they are, let me know and I'll temporarily lock this topic up.

But on the subject, I guess it depends on where the anime is being shown. For example, in the US, there are very tight restrictions on which anime can be shown and at what times. Like Detective Conan is shown at 4 a.m. where I used to live (near Washington, D.C.). Although it didn't have any sex, there was some blood and violence in it sometimes so I suppose that's why the TV station owners decided to air it at that time, figuring that children wouldn't be up at that time watching it. (Kind of made it a pain for me, though, since I'd have to wake up around that time just to watch it. lol)

Now here, there is a wider variety of anime shown. And they are rated. It's way more flexible here in terms of TV restrictions and all that but I'll admit that some of the anime that I've seen here in the past has surprised me. Although they haven't shown anime here with sex in it (to my knowledge, anyway), they have shown some with violence and blood in it. Although it's rated for adults, some of that stuff made me react like Shocked .

Anyway, I'm not going to say whether sex is appropriate for anime or not. It wouldn't be fair for me to make such a judgment since I've only been exposed to a limited amount of it. But let's just agree to disagree, shall we? Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Shuffle! Game (15+ Discussion)   Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:49 am

im just stating one thing here ,well putting sex on anime's, etc. is not actually your call or your decision, becous your not the creator, not the president and totally not your rule. there is no rule in japan or in some countries that sex in video's, books, and comics are not allowed, its the so called children's decision whether they watch it or not, and its not the creator's fault. and people can't call the creator's of this things sick because F.Y.I. sex is an art of two human beings etc. (learned that at school). if you think sex is for this or that or gross well guess what its not, and as if you won't do it in the future. i will just tell one think to people who don't like or hate Hentai and such Videos "if you don't like it, THEN LEAVE IT ALONE!"

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PostSubject: Re: Shuffle! Game (15+ Discussion)   Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:56 am

Sorry but I can't agree with you here, sure sex is a natural thing yeah, so lets put it everywhere.

It is not nice to put it in something that children are watching all the time.
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PostSubject: Re: Shuffle! Game (15+ Discussion)   Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:28 am

Guys, this has gone too far. I am locking this up.

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